Posted April 20, 2020 0 Advanced issue found ▲ 13 hours ago, Lazar said: Mislim da nema smisla računati na to da će u junu nešto biti mnogo drugačije nego što je sada i praviti planove na osnovu toga. Ako bude - super, i ja se i dalje nadam da hoće, ali više ne računam na to. Apsolutno si u pravu. Sad ćemo samo igrati ping-pong sa karatama i prebacivati ih sa datuma na datum. Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2020 pa nece biti drugacije sto se tice samog virusa, ono sto ce biti drugacije je da ce se promeniti percepcija - zivece se s tim, i kretace sa tim. imo. Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 I meni se čini da će tako biti, makar neko vreme. Brza testiranja pre ulaska u avion, zdravstveni sertifikati, karantini ili self-karantini ako dolaziš iz problematičnih oblasti, maske, opsesivna pranja ruku, merenja temperature. Čak i kad putovanja ponovo postanu moguća, ogromna većina ljudi neće hteti da putuje, jednostavno zato što ne žele da rizikuju. A rizik postoji - da se razboliš, da posle zaraziš nekog starijeg npr. svoje roditelje, da zaglaviš u skupoj bolnici u inostranstvu itd. Kada ljudi saberu sve to u glavi, malo ko će se odlučiti na putovanje. Ne znam jel neko već pominjao ovo, mrzi me sad da kopam: In a move that could be a step toward making air travel palatable to the public again, Emirates Airline has begun conducing rapid-on site COVID-19 for passengers. The testing began with passengers on a flight from Dubai to Tunisia on Wednesday. The analysis is a blood test with results within 10 minutes. The airline says it is the first to roll out rapid testing. Emirates says it is working to scale up testing capabilities and extend it to other flights. It says its testing could also be used to provide confirmation for Emirates passengers traveling to countries that require COVID-19 test certificates. Etihad Airways, which is also based in the United Arab Emirates, said last week that it is trialing new kiosks that can monitor the temperature, heart rate and respiratory rate of a person checking in for a flight or dropping a bag. If there are signs of illness, the kiosk will suspend the check-in or drop-off and alert a staff member. The kiosks are being tested at the airport in Abu Dhabi. "This technology is not designed or intended to diagnose medical conditions," said Etihad's Vice President Hub and Midfield Operations, Joerg Oppermann. "It is an early warning indicator which will help to identify people with general symptoms, so that they can be further assessed by medical experts, potentially preventing the spread of some conditions to others preparing to board flights to multiple destinations." Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) da, to se zove pr i percepcija. nema razlike u putovanju zagusenim javnim prevozom i avionom u smislu mogucnosti da se zarazi. naravno, ko hoce da se zarazi u maticnoj zemlji, moze da ostane u svojoj maticnoj zemlji. warning signs im nece biti potrebni (sem kao izgovor za sprecavanje kretanja u situacijama kada im to odgovara), jer ce se na kraju ipak sve svesti na precutno dozvoljavanje herd immunity i povecanje broja bolnica i zdravstvenih radnika, plus izvrtanje statistike. imo. Edited April 21, 2020 by prolaznik Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 Što avio-kompanije čine tijekom „Korona-krize“? Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, prolaznik said: da, to se zove pr i percepcija. nema razlike u putovanju zagusenim javnim prevozom i avionom u smislu mogucnosti da se zarazi. naravno, ko hoce da se zarazi u maticnoj zemlji, moze da ostane u svojoj maticnoj zemlji. warning signs im nece biti potrebni (sem kao izgovor za sprecavanje kretanja u situacijama kada im to odgovara), jer ce se na kraju ipak sve svesti na precutno dozvoljavanje herd immunity i povecanje broja bolnica i zdravstvenih radnika, plus izvrtanje statistike. imo. Pa nije bas da nema razlike. U avionu ne moze da se otvori prozor, u autobusu, vozu, kombiju... uglavnom moze. A japanski naucnici su pokazali da je cirkulacija vazduha spolja od sustinske vaznosti za prevenciju stagnacije virusa u vazduhu. Drugo u avionu si vremenski uglavnom daleko duze vremena i sa vecim brojem ljudi nego u javnom prevozu. U javnom prevozu kad ima vise mesta mogu ljudi da se udalje jedni od drugih, u avionu ne mogu da menjaju sedista. A to da budes bolestan u inostranstvu od opake bolesti je posebna tema. Osiguravajuce kuce su koliko citam uglavnom odbijale da plate troskove lecenja za Covid-19 pacijente jer je rec o vanrednoj situaciji koja nije pokrivena standardnim osiguranjem. Ukratko jedino koga razumem ko hoce sada da putuje su ljudi koji su zaglavljeni negde gde nemaju pristupa zdravstvenoj nezi. Svi ostali treba da ostanu gde su. https://www.glas-zajecara.com/gradjani-srbije-4-dana-na-granici-izmedju-austrije-i-madjarske-ponestaje-nam-hrane-i-vode/ Edited April 21, 2020 by noskich Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) sta reci sem za zarazu je dovoljan sekund i ne vozimo se ocigledno istim autobusima i kombijima... Edited April 21, 2020 by prolaznik Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Cak i da ne moze da se otvori prozor, otvaraju se vrata, znaci cirkulacija vazduha postoji. U avionu je nula tokom celog leta. Pa ako kazes da je dovoljan sekund razlog vise da se ostane u izolaciji i ne putuje. Edited April 21, 2020 by noskich Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 ne vozimo se ocigledno istim autobusima i kombijima... plus, svakom svoje. neka svako radi sta hoce sa svojim zivotom. kada avioni zvanicno pocnu da lete, ko hoce nek leti, ko nece ne mora. Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 Problem je u tome sto to sto neko radi ne utice samo na njega, vec i na druge. Na primer putnik koji je uneo Covid u Novi Zeland i zbog kojeg je umrlo 13-oro, a zarazilo se 1445. Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 ne znam koji deo u "kada avioni zvanicno pocnu da lete" i u okviru toga donosenje sopstvene individualne odluke o sopstvenom zivotu i letu nije bio jasan... Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, noskich said: U javnom prevozu kad ima vise mesta mogu ljudi da se udalje jedni od drugih Vidi se da si davno napustio Balkan Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 Vidi se da si davno napustio Balkan Nije ni u onim commuter vozovima kod njega mnogo bolja situacija. Inace, u avionima se menja vazduh, plus prolazi kroz HEPA filtere. Sent from my iTelephone using Tapatalk Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Coronavirus: How Opening Windows Can Protect You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2azcn7MqOU Da bi doslo do cirkulacije vazduha mora biti propuha, to jest moraju se otvarati vrata i prozori. 5-ti minut videa. Edited April 22, 2020 by noskich Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 22, 2020 Zanimljive fotke parkiranih aviona: Planes grounded by coronavirus pandemic sit idle at airports around the world – in pictures https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2020/apr/22/planes-grounded-coronavirus-pandemicsit-idle-airports-world-pictures?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2020 Evropska komisija pozvala je zemlje EU i Šengenske (bezvizne) zone da na još 30 dana produže privremeno ograničenje putovanja u zemlje članice. Ograničenje se odnosi na sva putovanja građana trećih zemalja koja nisu od suštinskog značaja, a primenjuje se na spoljnim granicama EU obuhvatajući i zemlje Šengena koje su van EU (Island, Lihtenštajn, Norveška i Švajcarska). https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2020&mm=05&dd=08&nav_category=1262&nav_id=1682187 Ovo naravno ne znači da će se 15. juna otvoriti granice, nego da pre toga sigurno neće... A posle se lako može desiti da bude novo produženje. Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2020 Sve zavisi od situacije. Vec sada se najavljuje da ce delovi sveta gde virus zamire formirati specijalne zone uokviru kojih ce se moci putovati. Samo sto ne verujem da ce se to desiti u naredna dva meseca. Prevashodno je rec o Australiji i Novom Zelandu plus pacificka ostrva, a pominje se i stvaranje slicnog "mehura" u jugoistocnoj Aziji. Najverovatnije cemo prvo imati te "sigurne zone", mnogo pre nego sto se sve bude otvorilo, a USA i Evropa ce najverovatnije biti poslednje da se potpuno otvore posto imaju najgore cifre. Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2020 Future Air Travel: Four-Hour Process, Self Check-In, Disinfection, Immunity Passes Among the steps under consideration: no cabin bags, no lounges, no automatic upgrades, face masks, surgical gloves, self-check-in, self-bag-drop-off, immunity passports, on-the-spot blood tests and sanitation disinfection tunnels. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2020/05/10/future-air-travel-four-hour-process-self-check-in-disinfection-immunity-passes/amp/ Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/29/travel/coronavirus-travel-bubble.html 3 Baltic States Announced a ‘Travel Bubble.’ What Is It and Could It Work in the U.S.? Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania announced a plan to allow for internal travel, and Australia and New Zealand are likely to follow suit. But in other parts of the world, establishing such a bubble would be tricky. Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2020 Just three days after the government of South Korea started relaxing social-distancing measures, the mayor of Seoul ordered the shutdown of more than 2,100 bars and other nightclubs Saturday (May 9) due to a rash of new coronavirus cases. More than 50 cases have been linked to a 29-year-old man who visited five clubs and bars in a popular Seoul neighborhood last weekend, reported the Wall Street Journal. He tested positive on Wednesday—the same day the government said it was fine to resume normal life. https://qz.com/1854932/coronavirus-cases-up-again-in-seoul-after-social-distancing-eased/ Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Lazar said: Just three days after the government of South Korea started relaxing social-distancing measures, the mayor of Seoul ordered the shutdown of more than 2,100 bars and other nightclubs Saturday (May 9) due to a rash of new coronavirus cases. More than 50 cases have been linked to a 29-year-old man who visited five clubs and bars in a popular Seoul neighborhood last weekend, reported the Wall Street Journal. He tested positive on Wednesday—the same day the government said it was fine to resume normal life. https://qz.com/1854932/coronavirus-cases-up-again-in-seoul-after-social-distancing-eased/ Upravo zasto ne bi trebalo biti otvaranja dok se ili ne proizvede vakcina, ili bude 0 slucajeva, ali samo unutar "slobodnih zona". Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 2, 2020 Zdravo. Interesuje me da li ce zemlje Evrope biti otvorene za nas, posle 15.06/01.07., za turisticka putovanja? Sve sto citam odnosi se samo na zemlje clanice EU, a gde smo mi u tome? Ima li najava sto se nas tice? Trebalo je da idem u Francusku u Julu, na odmor....Mozemo u Madjarsku, pa me interesuje da li neko zna, da li te onda nesto sprecava da letis iz Budimpeste dalje....Hvala. Pozz Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 2, 2020 Ja planiram da idem za 10ak dana za Austriju, vidim na sajtu da traze test, i bzvz okrenem ambasadu kao da proverim jos jednom. Kazu da avionom onaj ko nema drzavljanstvo EU ili boravisnu dozvolu/studentsku vizu ne moze da se ukrca uopste u avion, a da sa kopnene granice je skoro pa sigurno da ce me vratiti iako imam potvrdu o negativnom testu. Ocekuju sredinom juna nove info. Inace koga zanima za testiranje, stigao mi je odgovor od Zavoda za javno zdravlje Quote Poštovani, Potrebno je da zakažete test tri dana pre putovanja. Naknada za obavljeno testiranje je 6000 dinara, a instrukcija za uplatu sredstava je navedena na sajtu Republičkog fonda za zdravstveno osiguranje http://www.rfzo.rs (https://www.rfzo.rs/index.php/vesti/1062-rt-pcr-sars-cov-2). Prilikom dolaska na uzorkovanje brisa potrebno je da ponesete lični dokument (lična karta ili pasoš) - na uvid, kao i kopiju uplatnice, kao dokaz o izvršenoj uplati. Ukoliko plaćanje vršite elektronskim putem, možete nam i elektronskim putem dostaviti uplatnicu. Na rezultat se čeka 24-48 sati. Studenti i maloletne osobe su oslobođeni plaćanja. Takođe, rezultat možete da dobijete putem maila ili ličnim preuzimanjem u Gradskom Zavodu za javno zdravlje. S poštovanjem, Gradski Zavod za javno zdravlje Centar za kontrolu i prevenciju bolesti Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 2, 2020 Strasno. Ovo sve već predugo traje.... Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 2, 2020 Do 15. nema nista, znam neke koji su rutinski vraceni sa Wizzovih letovs. Nakon toga ko zna, mora da krene kad tad. Reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites